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Catholic leaders block contraceptive advice for 30,000 Scots girls



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Published Date: 17 August 2008
A VACCINE against cervical cancer will be given to schoolgirls without them receiving any safe sex advice as a result of a controversial deal struck between the Catholic Church and health officials, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.
From next month, 12 and 13-year-old girls at all schools in the country will start receiving the jab in a bid to cut deaths from cervical cancer caused by the human papilloma virus (HPV), which can be passed on during sex.

The Catholic Church originally raised objections to the jab on the grounds it could encourage promiscuity, but has made a U-turn after reaching an agreement with health and education bosses.

The deal means girls getting the HPV jab will not receive any accompanying advice on the need to use condoms to protect themselves from other sexually transmitted diseases.

Health campaigners and parents' groups last night reacted angrily to the deal, warning that the sexual health of thousands of young Scottish women was being put at risk to avoid a moral backlash from the Catholic Church.

Many sexual health experts believe it is essential to give out safe sex advice alongside the jab to make it clear they will remain at risk from other STIs including HIV, chlamydia and gonorrhea. More than half of the 5,000 female chlamydia patients in Scotland last year were under the age of 20.

The vaccine has been shown in trials to be highly effective in stopping cervical cancer caused by HPV if given to girls before they start sexual activity. Such cancers account for about 70% of cases of cervical cancer, which claims about 100 lives in Scotland every year.

When the decision to give the jab was announced by ministers in August 2006, a spokesman for Cardinal Keith O'Brien warned it could be seen by pre-teenage girls as a "green light" for sexual activity.

The programme is due to start next month and schools are set to send out consent forms for the scheme from the beginning of September.

The Catholic Church has now decided it will back the programme, with the jabs being available in its own schools. Spokesman Ronnie Convery revealed: "We have been in fruitful discussion with the health and education authorities, and we are satisfied that the programme to be rolled out across the country now is a responsible and ethically appropriate one."

Director of the Scottish Catholic Education Service (SCES) Michael McGrath added: "We wanted to make sure any support materials were appropriate in the Catholic schools, and we didn't want HPV and cervical cancer to be linked with artificial contraception. The factual information about the vaccine and cervical cancer are still there, but it doesn't promote particular kinds of sexual behaviour. We had discussions about it, we looked at various forms of words and came to an agreement. It took some months."

Scotland on Sunday has examined the leaflets going out to schoolgirls who receive the jab and there is no mention of using condoms to protect against other STIs.

A spokeswoman for the Family Planning Association (FPA) said it was a missed opportunity. Chief executive of the FPA Julie Bentley said: "The HPV vaccination will only protect young women from two strains of HPV leading to cervical cancer. It is critically important that young people understand the need to use condoms to protect them from other STIs."

Scotland Patients' Association chairwoman Margaret Watt said: "This message should be highlighted and underlined – please remember this injection doesn't protect you from sexually transmitted diseases or becoming pregnant."

Justine Roberts, co-founder of Mumsnet, said parents would be annoyed by the omission. She said: "The moral position is being imposed upon them. It seems a bit archaic to let the Catholic Church decide on this."

A Scottish Government spokesperson said: "The HPV vaccine is about saving lives and protecting future generations of young girls from cervical cancer.

"Scottish Government officials consulted with many stakeholders and undertook research with parents and girls to ensure the right level of information was included in the leaflet. The Scottish Government is absolutely committed to promoting safer sex, and we are taking forward our sexual health strategy 'Respect and Responsibility'."


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  • Last Updated: 17 August 2008 12:59 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Roman Catholic church
 
1

Conan the Librarian™,

17/08/2008 00:06:36
Young Catholic girls never have sex, the priests told them not to.

Why the hell are we still kowtowing to relegion in the 21st century?
2

Slippylizard,

Dry Rock 17/08/2008 00:13:36
Do Catholics not have sex outside marriage or is the Roman Catholic church still living in the middle ages? When are they going to arrive in 2008?

People have sex because most find it enjoyable, it is not shameful nor wrong and it is proven proper education at the right ages is what counts, not ignorance. Allowing your followers to suffer a whole range of conditions including some that can kill you because of some nonsense is something the church should be ashamed of. To think they actually had consider if they would help save some lives or not by allowing young girls to have the vaccine.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 00:16:38

This soo called 'jab' is a brainwashing experiment yet again on the female sex!

Before I give more opinion, please read this from our poster Em, which is the 'REAL TRUTH' we are NOT Told!!,

With regard to the cervical cancer jab, the vaccine has been proven ineffective in preventing HPV, contrary to what many beleive to be true it does nothing to eradicate the virus from women who already have it. and the FDA have even revised their previous understanding and stated that they now know that cervical cancer is not directly caused by HPV. In the vast majority of cases HPV goes away by itself without the need for medical intervention.
It is well known by medical professionals that HPV occurs in almost all women who are sexually active, however, vaccinating women who already have HPV has been found to increase the risk of developing high grade precancerous lesions by 44.6%
In other words, if the vaccine is given to a young woman who already carries HPV in a “harmless” state, it may “activate” the infection and directly cause precancerous lesions to appear.

Yet we are currently seeing the HPV vaccination program being implemented in Scotland with the aim to vaccinate girls under 17 years of age, some of whom will already be sexually active yet they are not advised of the hazzardous effects of this vaccination in such cases.

Aside from the issue of the HPV vaccine causing more cases of cervical cancer than it prevents, there have also been thousands of adverse reactions reported including paralysis, seizures and in some cases death has resulted.


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Otis Boone,

Sacramento 17/08/2008 00:20:57
I was under the impression that the Church of Scotland was disestablished, and that the Catholic Church had no influence on Government before the Acts of Union. Why is the church influencing Alex Salmond's government?

"When the decision to give the jab was announced by ministers in August 2006, a spokesman for Cardinal Keith O'Brien warned it could be seen by pre-teenage girls as a "green light" for sexual activity."

Amazing how a church's dogma is so entrenched that it objects to giving a vaccination to prevent cancer because it would lead to sex. I guess its better those "slutty teenagers" die from cancer later in life for making that choice.
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FTH22inarow,

17/08/2008 00:21:04
catholic church against medical advice oh what a surprise, if left to them we would still be suffering from the black death every 50 years, christianity/organised religion the most evil invention of man ever
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 00:37:52

Yet again we are all told 'utter garbage' so the Health Authorities and Drug Companies can get their own way, and the sad thing is, we fall for it,...

'Hands Cloak and Dagger'

Like the MMR this 'jab' will have 'repercussions' for thousands of Girls.

And the sad fact IS they can still get cervical cancer, 'jab' or NO 'jab'!

How Cruel! tell the Girl you are safe from this disease, only for some to find out later in their lives the have cervical cancer! explain that one to you daughter!

And lastly, 'Girls' Will think they are, 'All Grown Up Now' after having this 'jab' and many will go on to have unprotected sex, under the age of 15years old, because we told them it was safe to do so!

That IS the message the Girl will perceive!!
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druidh,

edinburgh 17/08/2008 00:42:33
It remains the responsibility of parents to educate their sons a daughters about "safe sex".
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 00:44:35

Lastly, Catholics or No Catholics, it will not make a,..

'Blind bit of Difference' to what the Girl will or wont do, after receiving this 'jab'

The "Catholics" are being USED as a 'Get out Clause' Nothing more Nothing Less,,

One should look at their own, 'Back Door' before blaming others!!
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/08/2008 00:49:14
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A pox on them Cynical? Heh.
11

Yane,

17/08/2008 00:58:14
If they haven't already, schools & parents will teach the kids — & sidestep all the madness.
12

Guga II,

Rockall 17/08/2008 01:04:49
Religion is the opium of the masses, and a crutch for the weak-minded.
13

Statsman,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 01:12:43
Good. I can't see why injecting kids with a cancer virus is a good thing??
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17/08/2008 01:20:52
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17/08/2008 01:29:27
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 01:56:54

The "Catholics" are being USED as a 'Scapegoats' Nothing more Nothing Less,,

One should look at their own, 'Back Door' before blaming others!!
17

truthsleuth,

17/08/2008 02:02:41
One of the best ways of maintaining and icreasing your customer base is to make sure you have a captive market and that it keeps on breeding.
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Evolution in action,

St Andrews 17/08/2008 02:03:24
Why is developing a cancer in any way connected with religion. Why is it connected to a preticular religion 9t The catholics have their dibs on vervical cancer treatment. are the Muslim against lung cancer chemo, the druids against liver cancer therapy, te Shinto's agianst Melanoma gene theapy. What is anything to do with cellular telomere runaway got to do with a religion?
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senza nome,

17/08/2008 02:19:20
#6: You repeat this story of the Catholic Church causing millions of deaths in Africa, so i thought I'd check out the statistics. Presumably the only people who have to obey the laws of the church are Catholics themselves.Others are free to ignore them.
I had a look at the statistics of some of the worst affected countries for AIDS.Botswana has 38% affected by Aids, yet it only 4.9% of the population are Catholics and 41% are Protestant.South Africa and Zimbabwe both have around 7% Catholics yet massive Aids problems. If it's only Catholics that are observing the no-condom rule, then why do these countries have such problems? The answer is that millions of people are ignoring safe sex advice and it's got precious little to do with the Catholic church.It's more the fault of big drug companies refusing to allow cheaper versions of their anti_AIDS drugs to be produced locally.In S.Africa the government of Thabo Mbeki tried to deny the scale of the problem and did nothing to tackle it.


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 02:35:27

Evolution in action ~19,

Exactly! It is all a 'NONSENSE!!

Fact is! One is trying to, 'Cover their Feet' when all goes,..'Pear-Shaped'!

The ones involved in this 'Mass Medical Experiment' and exploitation of Women, will 'latch-on' to all that question it, and disagree with it.

Then they will do their dammed best to, 'Mock', 'Ridicule' and 'Eliminate' all those that oppose!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 02:42:58

The Root has NOTHING to do with the "Catholic Religion", NOTHING to do with the "Catholic Religion",..

Atall!!

As would be, Blaming the "Catholics" for you getting a parking ticket!

It Is a NONSENSE, UTTER NONSENSE!!
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somerferg,

perth 17/08/2008 04:43:01

This is one big leap into the unknown and as usual it is women's bodies that are being used. As the virus eminates from the male of the species I suggest the mass vaccination scheme is carried out on boys Oh but wait a minute that won't happen because we can't put their delicate health at risk. And beside which what would the Catholic Church have to say about that. I get the feeling that they assume that it is only teenage girls who are responsible for underage/unmarried sexual activity - never the boys eh??
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17/08/2008 06:00:34
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Spud,

17/08/2008 06:54:33
the whole story and the RC church; yeez are all daft as brushes. Its very funny that you dont know how stupid yeez are! Bonkers man! Bonkers!
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Phil C,

17/08/2008 06:57:32
The usual anti-Catholic hysteria on here again blinds the bigots to the positive side of what is being said. The Catholic Church is right to an extent in that no sex for youngsters is the safest sex...not realistic but right. Someone has to speak up for the side of reason instead of the free for all that leads to so much strife. After that it's the role of parents and teachers to guide and teach, and let's face it, we're not doing very well!

Many on here over-estimate the influence of any church, never mind the Catholic Church. People make up their own minds. Lord help us if some of the anti-Catholic stuff on these boards is spewed out in peoples' homes in front of kids.

The little minxes who pass for some of our young ladies get all the information they need already and yet we seem to have more than our fair share of young mums and sexual diseases.
27

Heid's full o'mince,

Kilmacolm 17/08/2008 07:05:05
Number 3 post. Charlie where can I find your poster 'em'?
28

Sinead,

Tanunda 17/08/2008 07:09:06
Neither the RC church nor any other denomination have anything to do with protecting women & young girls from cervical cancer.
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Anne,

Eaglesham 17/08/2008 07:20:12
The danger inherent in this inoculation is that girls will "forget" to go for regular cervical smears, assuming that they are safe.

Secondly, the vast amount of sex education undertaken in the past few decades has led merely to a large increase in illegitimate births and sexually-transmitted diseases.
30

Boy Wonder,

17/08/2008 07:23:57
It's high time religion (any religion) was thrown out of the schools (except as a general lesson) and kept in the churches, synagogues, mosques and temples that they belong to.

Children need protection from these brain-washing institutions of superstition ... not from potential life-saving sex lessons.

Get religion out!!!
31

missing home,

la verne 17/08/2008 07:25:21
NO. 9, Druidh, exactly.
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Wallace1297,

Dundee 17/08/2008 07:28:19
Number 27 here we go again trying to play the oppressed minority card again. Show me any crock of death-embracing supernatural bulls*it an I will say exactly the same.

Organised religion is a poison which destroys everything. I wonder how you can defend the right of weird old men to dictate their prejudices over a young girls right to know about the dangers of Aids and STD’s.

Every year the Pope kills tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of the world’s most vulnerable people by the simple expedient of forbidding Catholics to use condoms
While his imprecations are dismissed by most churchgoers in the First World as a load of papal bull, in countries in which there is little access to alternative sources of information and in which women have few rights, every papal decree against contraception sentences thousands to a lingering death.
33

WatchKeeper,

Nr. Diss, Norfolk NR15 2AZ 17/08/2008 07:42:46
I joined the army in January 1953. And that is my first introduction to "Sex Education". With Films.
They showed pictures of the male organ, covered in sores and described as "c*** rot". In my opinion this is the sort of education that should be available in all schools and places of learning. Frighten the little "burglers" into keeping their knickers on and the boys, to keep their flys closed. I'm in my seventies, yet I can still see those bits of skin hanging off the male members as displayed in some of the film. (They didnot show us pictures of the female organ. Shame.)
Kindesr Regards, ATFlynn, "Norfolk's Mutineer"
34

Samcafe,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 07:44:38
Cynical,Edinburgh 17/08/2008 00:33:31
It's at least consistent - millions of Africans have AIDS because the blessed RC church forbade them to use condoms.

Now they are helping to kill women in our country.

A pox on thgem and their apartheid education - or, rather, lack of.


Have you done any research or are you just chuntering out the usual rent a quote nonsense from the feminist ridden oxfam. The RC church makes up less than 8% of the population in the Aids infected areas of Africa, why would the other 92% abandon condoms because the Pope told them to. Just because its a trendy easy target it doesn't mean it's the correct target.
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ZipptJeffrey,

castle 17/08/2008 07:53:58
If the Catholic church want to interfere in politcs, then they should stand for office. See how far that gets them. Secondly the health boards that DONT give out advice to schoolgirls on sexual matters should be take to court for endangering public health. Any health board found to withholding sexual health advice from cathlc girls should be taken to court and vigourously prosecuted. Also their executices and board should resign We need more reporting on the political interference of the Catholic church in Scotland. If the Catholic church has its way , it will reduce Scotland to a third world country.
36

interstellarmince,

outer-space 17/08/2008 08:08:29

...Another example of religionists working in concert with the back-room Establishment...

... limiting the debate... the real issue is that this vaccine is not to be trusted at all...

tinyurl.com/5ehmo4


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17/08/2008 08:20:00
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Wallace1297,

17/08/2008 08:20:38
Jeff Rense a credible source if ever their was one. Why don’t you post links to his other stories about how the Holocaust never happened or how the towers were brought down not by aeroplanes crashing into hem but, by space aliens from area 51?
39

Phil C,

17/08/2008 08:32:43
#33 Wally

You miss my point completely. Whatever you think about organised religion, churches are allowed an opinion. They are the moral leadership for many people and the message is usually a good one, though the real teaching must come from parents and teachers, not the church. Certainly you have no right to dictate your prejudices over young girls' rights any more than the church has.

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Prop,

huntington beach 17/08/2008 08:34:59
The church response is right but not for the reason given.
These children should receive sexual education at home,from their parents, not from some mass mailing of pamphlets,by the nanny state.
41

Wullie Anderson,

17/08/2008 08:45:54
deal struck between the Catholic Church and health officials, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.

Can someone please explain to me, why the RC church is doing deals on my behalf? When will the Scottish exec have the testicular fortitude to stand up and be counted and stop allowing religious bigots to impose their will on this country?

RC's make up about 17% of the Scottish population, but the church appears to now dictate to the Scottish Executive what, where and when the rest of us should be living our lives.

About time they sorted their own problems out in the church, rather then interfering in all of our lives.
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yockel,

17/08/2008 08:47:17
#41 Aye and what would their parents know about it? Would have to ask a priest presumably.
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Wullie Anderson,

17/08/2008 08:51:00
Phil 27

Rather than boring us with the " anti RC, oppressed minority garbage" you may wish to think about this logically and without the bigotry you obviously have deep inside you.

The reason the RC church is attacked is simple. They are interfering in our lives on a daily basis, even though most of us are not RC. The Scottish Executive are bending over backwards to catch the so called green vote and in doing so, are now openly indulging in trade offs with the bigots within the church.

Do the non RC's of Scotland not count any more?
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17/08/2008 09:00:37
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interstellarmince,

outer-space 17/08/2008 09:06:40
Wallace1297

What's your 'credible' source? SOS? Scotsman, Herald? Hilarious! Aye, right! Straight from the debunking manual - You can’t refute the article so destroy credibility of the website. No-one knows what's in these vaccines as 'private' companies are involved... and irrespective of your blinkered view... many have died with this vaccine: FACT. Many more are ill and have suffered debilitating side-effects.

Rense never wrote the article... it was written by a doctor. And this is one of many articles on the hidden agenda of the NWO. It’s no secret that they want to ‘reduce’ the population on earth. When was the last time you saw as many countries acting in concert regarding mass-vaccinating against a cancer? The answer is never. What about the other cancers – cancers affecting males? They won’t even give drugs to sufferers of kidney cancer due to ‘cost’… That’s different because their dying, they say.

As far as the holocaust goes I’ve not researched that specifically - only as far as more Russians died in that big NWO set-piece WW2, than any other 'peoples'.

Aliens crashing into twin-towers on 911? Where did you read that? No, planes crashed into the Trade Centre twin towers with the exception of building 7... Now whatever happened to building 7? What’s your credible source saying about that?
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17/08/2008 09:10:35
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Wallace1297,

17/08/2008 09:16:59
Phil C how can you say I am trying to impose my views on anyone. I don’t particularly want young girls to get STD’s because of the dogma of your so-called faith. I am in favour of giving people a choice based on facts. You and your medieval church are in favour of ignorance, superstition and bigotry.

As for the church having a moral message I am not sure that a church which is going to canonise Nazi Pope Pius XII, tells people that condemns don’t stop the spread of HIV, protects paedophile priests or burned thousands of woman as Witches can claim providence on mortality with a straight face.

By all means the Church can have an opinion but when their schools are subsided by taxpayers money then I have a problem with their death embracing dogma.
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Wallace1297,

17/08/2008 09:27:41

interstellar mince you are an idiot. Every time I come across one of you holocaust denying conspiraloons you always start typing pages and pages in which you “prove” 9/11 was an inside job by the shape-shifting lizards, NOW, Zog etc etc. I am well aware of all the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. None of them are credible (inc tower 7 I know no plane hit it) so please don’t waste you time regurgitating them

I suggest you look to George Monbiot on 9/11 conspiracies article which conclusively debunks all you fallacy’s.

But then I suppose I must be a paid agent of the New world Order. Maybe I am a mind-controlled deep-cover agent who is not aware of his mission.
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"Hoots" Fandango,

17/08/2008 09:32:34
Charles Linskaill

Take a chill pill. You are so wrong regarding the MMR vaccine. The paper presented has now been formally disowned by 10 of the 12 authors. Please get up to speed.

Given that you fail to understand a simple thing like this, I can only assume that the rest of your posts are factually incorrect.
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Wullie Anderson,

17/08/2008 09:35:08
48

If any other organisation had the sexual abuse, criminal scandals, which are rampant within the RC church, they would have been closed down years ago.

Yet here we have these moral guardians of Scotland telling everyone how to live their lives and conduct themselves.

When will someone in the Scottish Executive have the decency and moral courage to stand up and be counted when confronted by these bigots?
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Puritan,

South Lanarkshire 17/08/2008 09:37:30
[Quote]The Catholic Church originally raised objections to the jab on the grounds it could encourage promiscuity, but has made a U-turn after reaching an agreement with health and education bosses.

The deal means girls getting the HPV jab will not receive any accompanying advice on the need to use condoms to protect themselves from other sexually transmitted diseases.[end quote]

Does the catholic church by doing so advocate the spread of sexual disease in the same way they have in Africa? Hmmm

A minority religion who have far too much sway with this Scottish executive. Quite why, I'd love to know. They do not represent me or any of my family so why does their small minded view mean more in this backwater country?


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Phil C,

17/08/2008 10:02:34
#49 Wallace

Believe it or not, I agree with you about dogma, about condoms, about faith schools, about paedophilia caused by unnatural celibacy, about giving people choice....This story is not about any of that.

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Phil C,

17/08/2008 10:04:35
The RC Church is simply making it's views clear and pressing the Scottish Government with a stance which many people share. It's called consultation and it's a responsibility of Government to listen to all views, before passing legislation.

The SoS loves leading with these RC stories because it gets people going, but it inflames the unhealthy Scottish bigotry. I'm sure many other groups influenced policy but that's not reported.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 10:11:25

#54,

I truly wish I was "wrong", unfortunately I AM 101% accurate in what I say about this 'jab', if one does not want to believe this, it is they that are ignorant to the facts that are out there if one looks.

You wont suffer and I wont suffer regardless the outcome, your presumptions are wrong, as IS giving girls false security and promises.
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Wallace1297,

17/08/2008 10:16:52
This story is not about a consultation of opinions it is about the imposition of opinions. The Church’s opinions have no basis in fact and are absurd. They should be ignored. Only somewhere between a fifth and a quarter of Catholic in Scotland even bother to turn up to church every Sunday. This means the Church speaks for roughly 4 to 5% of the people of Scotland.

If even one child is contracts an STD because of Catholic Church intransigence that is too high a price to pay. The Catholic Church is a criminal moribund organisation.
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Heid's full o'mince,

Kilmacolm 17/08/2008 10:16:58
Hi Charlie again,
Now you're up.... can you answer my post no.28?
Regards
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Heid's full o'mince,

Kilmacolm 17/08/2008 10:18:45
Charles Linskaill

Hi Charlie again,
Now you're up.... can you answer my post no.28?
Regards
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interstellarmince,

outer-space 17/08/2008 10:20:42
#50 Wallace1297

What a bitter little rant. Just because you can’t refute the excellent article exposing the truth on the dangerous HPV vaccine you go into a slavering debunking frenzy... try and stick on subject. Once again, I’ll state my original post… The religionists are trying to limit the debate taking us away from the real danger of this vaccine.

tinyurl.com/5ehmo4

Please point out where I’ve 'denied' the holocaust, and by holocaust, I’m assuming you are referring to the Nazi concentration camps of WW2 that killed Jews, Christians, Jehovas Witnesses, Gypsies, Slavs, Poles and Russians amongst others. You’ll forgive me if I can’t go ‘in-depth’ due to lack of research. I will not even attempt to go into this subject as deep as the Jews themselves in the fascinatingly informative ‘Jews against Zionism’ website. Lots of info from people who were actually there, Rabbi’s and such like.

There are many conspiracies... them's the facts. Wither you believe in one particular 'hypothesis' or another is your prerogative… as you or myself for that matter were not party to the subject of this thread or the other events you have ‘scattered’ in your uncontrolled rant, that is all these views are… hypothesis’. For my part I know the mainstream Establishment media in Scotland, the ‘UK’ and elsewhere is pure propaganda. Never to be trusted. So information must be gleaned elsewhere and having researched The Black Nobility and their gofers, the London Establishment for 10 years I know their methods and agenda. This is also based on direct personal experience.
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Wallace1297,

17/08/2008 10:21:58
Charles Linskaill and interstellar mince are both members of the tin-foil-hat brigade. This is where crackpot ideas like Chiropractic and Alchemy replace evidence based medicine. The crazier the theory the more they embrace it

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 10:23:30

Mince Boy ~60,

Is it the link to the poster Em ya want, which is here in this paper, albeit 7 to 10 days ago, re another subject concerning yet again another abuse of Women.
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Wallace1297,

17/08/2008 10:24:01
Conspiracy Theorist Characteristics:

Arrogance, relentlessness, inability to answer questions, fondness for certain stock phrases, inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor, inability to tell good evidence from bad, inability to withdraw, leaping to conclusions, using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims, and, it's always a conspiracy.
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Phil C,

17/08/2008 10:26:17
#58 Wally

Whatever!
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Slippylizard,

Rainy Rock 17/08/2008 10:27:48
Charles Linskaill

You seem very upset by this report and sway from the "medical inaccuracy" point to the "defending the RC church".

Come on, the RC church should be ensuring it educates it's young in a responsible way and does not pretend sex does not happen. Have they not learnt yet? They have been trying to put people off sex for over a thousand years. Doesn't seem to be working to well does it? Their sexual guidance comes from a group of men or potentially inferior women who for the most part don't participate so what do they know?
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"Hoots" Fandango,

17/08/2008 10:30:22
Chuckles Linskaill at #57

1 You cannot be 101% correct about anything. 100% is the maximum.

2 You are most definitely wrong about the MMR. Google it.
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wuggles,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 10:31:21
truly wish I was "wrong", unfortunately I AM 101% accurate in what I say about this 'jab', if one does not want to believe this, it is they that are ignorant to the facts that are out there if one looks.

You wont suffer and I wont suffer regardless the outcome, your presumptions are wrong, as IS giving girls false security and promises.
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Typical answer from a Roman Catholic dogmatist,if there's such a word,but you get my drift.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 10:36:11

Wallace ~63,

The only ones in the "tin foil hat brigade' are the ones such as you that are 'Gullible' to swallow all you are told!


Just like the American Cornell,, who told his army of soldiers to watch a Nuclear Bomb go off from a distance that was not safe and with no protection, and like mice to the slaughter, they obeyed, to their unfortunate detriment, the incident was filmed and later televised,

The memorable command was,...

"GET CLOSER, GET CLOSER IT IS Perfectly Safe!!"

'Aye' "tin foil hat brigade" right enough,!

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interstellarmince,

outer-space 17/08/2008 10:36:39
# 65 Wallace

You indulge your limited intellect in coincidence theory... where did you cut & paste from? Randi’s site? Hilarious… What’s up? Can’t admit your life is a sham based on a fabrication. Don’t let naivety get in the way of more ‘foil-garment’ moments…

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Wallace1297,

17/08/2008 10:39:57
interstellar mince I always find conspiraloons such as yourself who spend their days trawling the internet to “prove” their ridiculous theories are either socially or sexually inadequate or in your case both
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Wullie Anderson,

17/08/2008 10:44:24
56

It's not called consultation as you would have us believe. We elect politicians to make decisions and run our country, not RC Priests and clergymen. If they want to become involved in politics, stand for election, otherwise don't dictate to a majority of this country who don't share the same views on life.

As for the bigotry, that old chestnut just won't play any more. If anyone has a differing view to RC religious zealots, the "B" word is automatically thrown in to the conversation.

Try and join modern Scotland and forget the past, RC's are not victimised in Scotland. Indeed I would go as far as to say, they enjoy more priveleges than most other religions.
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

17/08/2008 10:53:40
An issue that is fundamental to female health and the catholic church don't have a single (or married for that matter)woman to put across their view.
A dessiccated celibate cardinal and a hard line doctrinaire advocate of apartheid schooling are the voices of "the one true faith".
Are these narrow minded bigots to dictate policy to Scotland's politicians?
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 10:53:45
Sex education has been constructed out of secular ideals since the 1960s, and today , the UK has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe.

Mabey it is time to start listening a bit more to a religious perspective on how we go about things.
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Media 1,

cape town 17/08/2008 10:54:47
The church is a disgrace and the people running it among the most evil on the planet. Control, indoctrination and power at all costs is their mantra. Callous and incensitive they will force their hateful religious bile on those they deem to be theirs..

If the devil was real, he or she would surely be in the same mould as the church.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 10:56:40
It strikes me that british culture is actually against childhood itself.
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Helter Skelter,

17/08/2008 10:58:18
Deary deary me....the Catholic Church expresses a view which is not 'main stream progressive' and the wood lice come crawling out.
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Wullie Anderson,

17/08/2008 11:01:07
The RC church just don't do irony. Women's issues being dictated to, by men who have taken a vow of celibacy.

Whatever next? Alex Salmond thinking for himself and not being dictated to by Cardinal O'brien.
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 17/08/2008 11:02:15
#35 Samcafe
"millions of Africans have AIDS because the blessed RC church forbade them to use condoms."

Actually, millions of Africans have AIDS because they indulge in promiscuous sex outside of marriage - following the abandonment of traditional African systems of morality. Similarly, our youngsters are bring brought up in an age where they are saturated in images of promiscuous sex from the internet, TV, film, magazines - and on radio. The net result here in the UK is the highest rate of sexually transmitted diseases in Europe - and its not just HIV, gonorrhoea, syphilis amd chlamydia. It is also Hepatititis A, B and C, tuberculosis and a dozen other serious conditions.

Sex has always been dangerous - socially, politically, familially and medically. That is why ALL societies hedge sex around with moral and social rules of conduct: age-taboos, incest taboos, courtship rules, engagement rules, caste rules, marriage rules, property rights and divorce rights.
This WAS the case in the UK but successive govts have removed all the taboos, all the proscriptions, destroyed family cohesion, created millions of single-parent-state-clients and overturned ALL tradition morality. Morals are social mechanisms invented to minimise conflict and personal damage. Abandon morals and you get waht we have now: a tidal wave of abortions, ST diseases, cervical cancers, broken homes, unhappy people living on benefits for the rest of their lives. Disease is just the minor part of all this.
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Wullie Anderson,

17/08/2008 11:04:32
79

It must be upsetting when others have a viewpoint in a democracy. I never knew we all had to stay silent when the RC church dictated government policy on a majority who don't share that religion.

So anyone not bowing to RC doctrine are now to be called "wood lice"

Charming indeed!
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

17/08/2008 11:05:06
#79
The catholic church claims astronomical numbers in its membership,it claims to BE the "mainstream", and, if anyone who doesn't believe they are dares voice an opinion then they have their own "woodlice" ready to swarm.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 17/08/2008 11:10:43
Charles Linskaill

Good morning to you and your DYW. You seem to be in fine fettle today and your views are very pronounced.

I had thought the sexual impulse was a "gift" from God to increase mankind and the pleasure derived from sexual activities a pleasant bonus.

But the way the Roman Catholic church treats sex you would think it was an affliction from Satan.

Can't they - the priests and nuns, that is - just go back to praying and doing good works of charity and saving souls and suppresssing their natural sexual urges since they are "supposed" to be CELIBATE. HAH!
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

17/08/2008 11:21:55
A question that was raised by Tony Soprano.
Would the anti-birth control lobby ban Viagra?
After all surely an artificial means to procreation is just as much of an affront to the celibate pope's strictures as artificial means of contraception.
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Media 1,

cape town 17/08/2008 11:22:43
In the bible, the god entity murdered 2.6 million people. From Soddom and Gamorah to Lots wife and the millions of Egyptian babies the monster known as god maimed, tortured and destroyed.
ANYONE, who praises, worships or cultivates a relationship with such a beast is sick to the core.

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interstellarmince,

outer-space 17/08/2008 11:23:44
# 73 Wallace1297

Hilarious, I rest my case. So what are you spending your days on? It's not research that's self-evident in your lack of argument... What’s your favorite website? One can only wonder…

Meanwhile, a fascinating insight into the Roman Catholic world is David Yallop’s incredible piece of investigative journalism… ‘In God’s Name’.

The Roman Church is up to its eyeballs in conspiracy… as is evident over the centuries… This is a reverse psychology piece. They know people baulk at the church nowadays hence the narrative to convince people that they’ve made an informed decision regarding this very suspicious and dangerous vaccine.
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The Spook in Leith,

17/08/2008 11:33:51
Headline reads .."Catholic leaders block contraceptive advice for 30,000 Scots girls"

Media 1 castlemilk posts.."In the bible, the god entity murdered 2.6 million people. From Soddom and Gamorah to Lots wife and the millions of Egyptian babies the monster known as god maimed, tortured and destroyed."

WTF has that to do with this forum ?




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Ian Campbell Anderson,

Canada 17/08/2008 11:34:08
One word DISGRACEFULL.When will people wake up
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Media 1,

cape town 17/08/2008 11:37:28
Spook

Remember; you dont count!
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Webbie,

mullingar 17/08/2008 11:37:47
Without the education of the vaccine the rumour factory will be in full flow and some kids will believe that they cannot get pregnant because they have been vaccinated.
If you vaccinate explain why!!!
If ANY church wants to interfere in Scottish life then get enough of you together to get elected but I doubt that enough of you could agree on any principal enough to allow even one of you to STAND for parliament.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 11:42:14

TimW ~85,

Good morning to you also and hope you are also keeping well.
This subject is close to heart, as over here in Scotland, this soo called 'Wonder jab' is being portrayed as the 'be all and end all' of Cervical Cancer, anyone with a 'Modicum of intelligence' would Know this is 'NOT' the case, and dragging the Catholic Church into it, is a deliberate conspiracy to build a,..

'HPVjabagate' Government tight belt round the real issue.

'Clutching at Straws' the Catholic Church are being used as sacrifices to the slaughter, on not what to tell your Daughter and that is one about the real truth!
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Puritan,

South Lanarkshire 17/08/2008 11:43:51
#79

Wood lice? Really? Who are you referring to? You're obvious disdain for Christians outside of the RC church, who have a differing opinion from you, will no doubt be commended at mass.
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Media 1,

cape town 17/08/2008 11:46:25
Charles Larkhall

Problem is this; Just as Charles Mansion and Jefferey Dahmer will always be remembered for the killers they were, so to will the church be known for the murderous and utterly dispicable organisation it has always been.
Based on that organisations history, they cannot ever be trusted.