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Putin's paranoid bear sharpens its claws



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Published Date: 17 August 2008
Russians are again living in a dictatorship, hemmed in by corruption and chaos that prevents legitimate business from taking shape
In attacking Georgia, Putin will hope to have rammed home the message that he remains Russia's strongman – to be challenged at your peril

STANDING in the sunshine outside the gold-domed Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in downtown Moscow this week,
a group of young people stood holding flickering candles in plastic cups, proclaiming solidarity against "Georgian Brutality". Turning her fresh face to the setting sun, Marina Katayeva, a 30-year-old doctor, beamed with pleasure at the news of Russian tanks smashing their way deep into Georgian territory: "The superpower showed that she was able to defend her people."

This demonstration was not all it seemed. It was not spontaneous, but organised by the Kremlin – the only kind of protest that can be safely held in Russia these days. But if the spontaneity of the protest was fake, the emotions were real. For these young people, like millions of Russians, the sight of tanks smashing their way deep into Georgia is the cause of wild celebration. "We really showed them," said Georgy Kryuchkov, slamming a fist into his palm before he drank from a can of imported Tuborg at an outdoor table of a hotdog stand. "We could have done it sooner, but OK, we did it later."

One reason for the outpouring of emotion is that most of the media is controlled by the Kremlin. Coverage of the fighting in Georgia is one-sided, portraying the Georgians as horrific murderers and Russia's own soldiers as saints with no mention of the atrocities recorded by human rights groups. "Russia only moved its troops into South Ossetia when they understood it was self-defence," says Nina Kalashnikova, apparently unaware that this move included bombing raids on the Georgian capital, invasion of Georgia proper and attacks by the navy miles from the enclave. "By the look of it America doesn't behave as a friend."

But in the Kremlin, behind the triumph, there is paranoia. The euphoria of the military success masks the terror of a country that believes it is under attack from all sides – by the Europeans, by America, by China and by Islamic fundamentalism – in a ring stretching around its borders. "I think it is obvious with this ring around Russia that America is supporting the Baltic States, with Poland, Georgia, putting in their guided missile system," said Kalashnikova. Such was the growing anxiety last week, Russia went as far as threatening Poland with nuclear attack for allowing the US to build part of its missile defence shield in the country.

In all of this Vladimir Putin is still the boss – in giving the presidential job to his friend Dmitri Medvedev he was able to maintain control of the levers of power. Having crushed the independent media, re-nationalised the oil and gas industry and destroyed the independence of the law courts, Russians are again living in a dictatorship, hemmed in by corruption and chaos that prevents legitimate business and a proper middle class from taking shape.

And while Russia has an oil fund of more than $100bn (£54bn), none of that has been used to shore up its crumbling schools and hospitals, fix its disintegrating roads or combat its TB-laced prisons. Instead of taking the blame for all this, Putin has deflected it, blaming the outside world, and principally the United States, for all Russia's woes. In this he has fallen back on his KGB training inherited from Stalin, who encouraged a spirit of paranoia that remains to this day. As a journalist working in Russia I was regularly asked if I was a spy. When I denied it, heads would shake. "But of course," they would say. "A true spy would always deny his mission."

Russia's elite even feel hemmed-in on home soil as well. The Orthodox church is losing converts to livelier forms of Christianity. The birthrate is plummeting as hard-up couples avoid having extra mouths to feed. American films swamp the cinemas, McDonald's beats home-grown burger restaurants.

The response, very often, is to lash out, as seen in Georgia. Russia has also cut gas supplies to Ukraine and oil to the Baltic states to try to keep them in line. In possibly the most chilling outburst, it last week apparently threatened to attack Poland with nuclear weapons after Warsaw agreed to join America's missile defence shield. Although Colonel-General Anatoliy Nogovitsyn later said he was misquoted, his statement caused worldwide alarm.

Further east, Kazakhstan fears Russia plans to annex a chunk of the oil and gas rich state, while Japan is agitating for Russia to finally end occupation of the oil-rich Kurile Islands that dates from the Second World War. Even at the top of the world there is tension. After Russia planted its flag on the seabed at the Arctic circle, Canada is building a fleet of eight ice-breaking patrol craft to fend off a Russian threat. But while the rest of the world sees this as Russian expansionism, Russians see evidence that the rest of the planet is out to get them. For Russians labour under the twin weight of superiority and inferiority complexes.

Superiority, because, until the end of the Soviet Union, Moscow was the centre of a true superpower, the Russians happy to have other states including Georgia in positions of subservience. And inferiority because since the USSR's collapse, Russians have been hit by one humiliation after another. Much of the Soviet Union's territory – including its most productive agriculture – was dissolved into independent states. And those states, be they the Baltics, Ukraine or Georgia, have rushed to embrace the West, rejecting alliance with the Russian Bear.

Meanwhile, the vast profits Russia now earns from oil and gas have not been felt by the ordinary people, or even the economy as a whole. Seventeen years after the fall of communism, Russia, a country with the population of Britain, France and Italy combined, is unable to manufacture a single exportable car, or mobile phone, or airliner, or even a running shoe to compete with the West.

And for all their patriotism, Russians themselves spurn their own kind. In Moscow, the best restaurants specialising in all-Russian cuisine have foreign customers but few Russians – the pronounced snobbism of Muscovites dictates that they dine at French, Chinese or Spanish restaurants, drink Finnish vodka and smoke American cigarettes. And those with money move to London or Geneva, and holiday in the south of France rather than the Black Sea.

Similarly, the contradictions of the Kremlin's policy over Georgia are glaring, but most Russians choose not to dwell on them. Why, for instance, if they believe South Ossetia has the right to set up an independent state, did Chechnya not have the same right? And if Russia is so upset at American influence in its neighbouring states of Georgia and Ukraine, why does Moscow not try to woo them – they are, after all, supposed to be independent states able to choose their own friends.

Putin may feel he has little room for manoeuvre. He won office through the ballot box, but gained true power by taking on and beating the oligarchs – the billionaire businessmen who divided up Russia's wealth in the chaotic aftermath of the fall of communism. The mightiest oligarch, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, is now sitting in a Siberian jail. The second, Boris Berezovsky escaped to Britain to fret and plot. The other barons have fallen into line, but are ready to pounce should Putin show any weakness.

In attacking Georgia, Putin will hope to have rammed home the message that he remains Russia's strongman – to be challenged at your peril. His attack on Georgia has given Russians the sort of feel-good factor other nations get from sporting triumphs: "It's good we kicked some Georgian ass because it means we've kicked some American ass," said IT executive Timothy Kulikov, explaining the mood of many of his fellow countrymen.

There are nevertheless voices in the wilderness. Fully 36% of Russians told pollsters last week that the invasion of Georgia was a mistake. Fearful of the consequences they would rarely voice this dissent on such numbers without anonymity.

Russia's last independent radio station, Echo Moskvi, blamed everyone – the Kremlin, the Georgians, the South Ossetians and the West for the horrors in Georgia and the carnage that followed. And some Russians doubt that smashing the lightly armed Georgian forces means their army is ready to stand up to the United States. "They all are thinking to portray it as a success," says Kulikov. "I think for sure the Russian army is in the worst condition since the time of the early Tsars."

Meanwhile, the suffering continues in Georgia. In a mountain refugee camp outside Tbilisi, a return to the lives they left behind in South Ossetia is at best a distant prospect. Zalina Tsodniashvili, her two teenage sons and her husband sleep on four rickety cots in one room in a dreary three-storey concrete building left over from the Soviet era. But she said a worse torment was not their discomfort, but the uncertainty about what had become of her mother. Every displaced person in her building has suffered, she said, and the building houses hundreds of them.

She was on a visit to help her ill mother with household chores when the attacks began last weekend. "When they bombed, I grabbed the little ones and ran. My mother didn't follow," Tsodniashvili, 32, said. She did not dwell on the irony that her mother is an ethnic Ossetian, one of the people the Russian government said its military was sent to protect, or that she herself is half-Ossetian, half-Georgian.

"There's not one family that doesn't have Georgian and Ossetian in their family in some way. They're all mixed." Nor did she expect her mother's ethnicity to offer protection. "How could they possibly know?" Tsodniashvili asked. "They are soldiers. Who could tell them that an Ossetian woman lived there?"

Tsodniashvili was lucky in at least one respect: she found her husband three days after they fled the fighting in South Ossetia separately. The only injury either had suffered was a cut to her husband's foot. Now infected and swollen, the wound was inflicted as he ran from Russian planes overhead. "When they started to bomb, when there wasn't a soldier remaining, we said we have to go. There is nothing left," said Bakuri Kirkinashvili, 40, Tsodniashvili's husband.

They were reunited in front of the mayor's office in the centre of Tbilisi and then brought up winding roads through forested mountains to the shelter a few miles from the city. They say they hope that it will remain temporary.

Any semblance of normality is now shattered for the refugees. "We never asked for anything," Tsodniashvili said. "We always lived from the fruit of our own labour." Now she possesses a dresser with three of its six drawers and a rickety green chair without a seat. "We don't have anything to heat water with," Tsodniashvili said, and added with the flat tone of exhausted despair: "We don't even have a bucket."

While ordinary Georgians have paid a heavy price, their president, Mikheil Saakashvili, may emerge the winner. Until a week ago, his cries that Russia was manipulating the enclaves of Abkhazia and South Ossetia were ignored. Not any more. The weapons Saakashvili's army lost will be quickly replaced by America, which has already moved naval assets into the Black Sea. Nato will find it hard come December to deny Georgia's request to join the alliance.

Meanwhile, the "ring" that Russia so fears has been tightened. After months of prevaricating, Washington on Thursday seized its chance to cement a deal with Poland to set up its missile defence system, knowing Russia was in no position to complain. Even a last-minute Polish demand for US troops and Patriot anti-aircraft missile batteries played into the hands of the Bush administration, which can now station troops further forward than ever before.

Putin, meanwhile, has gained world opprobrium in exchange for two meaningless pieces of Georgian real estate, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which he already controlled. Critics inside Russia say Putin's real problem is that he is a century out of date, trapped in the Great Power mould of thinking that culminated in the First World War.

"The thinking in the Kremlin matches the realpolitik of the 19th century," writes Alexander Golts, a military expert in the Moscow Times. "Moscow's leaders view the relationships between states as an endless conflict."

Russia's membership of the G8 is hanging by a thread, and international invitations to visit the West will be in short supply from now on. At the United Nations in New York, shouting matches not seen since the end of the Cold War have erupted between Russia's ambassador Vitaly Churkin and his western counterparts.

"Russian forces have certainly violated respect for the international norms of peacekeeping," complained Britain's deputy ambassador Karen Pierce. "It is a grotesque distortion by Russia to claim their actions are promoting peace."

The gulf between Russia and the West which has opened over disputes over Kosovo, Darfur and Zimbabwe is now a yawning chasm, with both sides struggling to garner support among the mass of smaller nations.

French President Nicholas Sarkozy was, meanwhile, humiliated. As chairman of the European Union, he raced to Moscow to try to mediate a peace deal, leaving with the promise from Medvedev to halt the fighting. But with his plane still in the air, Russian tanks, jets and gunboats resumed their bombardment, leaving Sarkozy's mission in tatters.

All this has given the American public a new enemy, just as the terrors of al-Qaeda were starting to subside and the drop in violence in Iraq had pushed that war off the front pages. Presidential candidates, John McCain and Barack Obama, tumbled over themselves to be the first to condemn Russia's actions and portray Moscow as Public Enemy Number One.

Condoleezza Rice arrived in Tbilisi on Friday to bolster the diplomatic push by the West. Saakashvili signed a ceasefire deal, but the world was waiting yesterday to see if Moscow's claims that it will "faithfully" implement the deal would bear fruit as reports emerged of military advances still being made in towns surrounding the Georgian capital.

If conditions deteriorate, Ukraine faces being dragged into events. Russia has described as "illegitimate" a Ukrainian decree that its warships must obtain permission before entering or leaving base in Sevastopol. The standoff brings the risk of diplomatic and even military confrontation between Moscow and Ukraine, a former Soviet republic of nearly 50 million people.

In the best case, a fragile ceasefire will become firmer and signs of a Russian withdrawal from Georgia proper could create a diplomatic breathing space. Otherwise the Russians risk being further spooked as investors reassess the investment climate of Moscow and the rest of the former Soviet Union. Oil markets, already rattled, could move higher if shipments are disrupted, with Georgia's port of Poti a particular focus.

Back in Moscow there was no sign, on the streets at least, of a demand for Russia to rein in its forces. "Now we will be more respected," Marina Katayeva said outside. Next to her, Alyona Latyuk, 22, added: "I hope that now the West learns a lesson."

Artyem Bychkov spent his smoking breaks last week watching people stream into a South Ossetian cultural centre near the cafe where he works to deliver donations for refugees who fled the fighting.For him, it was no surprise that Russia had the boldness and the ability to take the steps it took. "I never had any doubts," he said. "Only the West didn't understand."

To Bychkov, 27, Russia's military successes are the logical conclusion of Russia's progression from the poor country he knew years ago to the oil power it is today.

He was a child when Russia's economy fell apart with the Soviet Union. His mother, a teacher, did not get her salary for nearly a year. The family lived on cucumbers and potatoes they grew themselves. Their town outside Moscow was a crumbling backwater. "Russia is rising," proclaimed Bychkov.

The great game

Craig Murray, Britain's ambassador to Uzbekistan between 2002 and 2004, is now a prominent critic of western policy. Here he gives opinion on the growing tensions

The events of last week should be viewed through the power-politics of the former Soviet Union, where Putin has very aggressively re-established Russian dominance in a lot of the region.

Putin shouldn't be underestimated – he's a very wily player. And the West, of course, is in a very bad position. George Bush accusing someone of an illegal invasion is like the pot calling the kettle black. Fascinatingly, the excuse the Russians are putting out today is that they are only invading Georgia to eliminate weapons systems which pose a threat to their neighbours. This is exactly the same excuse the Americans and British used for invading Iraq, and the Russians are, of course, deliberately using the same form of words.

The truth of the matter is that the US can huff and puff but their ability to do anything about it is very limited.

The EU position is also very interesting. Over 40% of Germany's electricity is powered by Russian gas. Within five years that will be over 60%, as the Nord Stream Russian-German gas project comes into operation. Russia can quite simply turn the lights off on Germany.

In effect, Gazprom now has a veto on German foreign policy relating to the East. Germany no longer has the ability to stand up to Russia diplomatically – by making itself completely energy-dependent, its hands are tied.

This is part of the 'great game' for the Caucasus region of Central Asia, and it's about raw power.

Putin holds many more cards than Bush. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan haven't helped. Britain and the USA have undercut their moral authority. If they say to the Russians: "You are impinging on the sovereign territory of another country by invading," the Russians can just smirk.







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1

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 01:47:36
Who wrote this rubbish? Why is there no byline?
2

Kipling,

17/08/2008 02:08:13
I tell you, Putin is a dead ringer for the deceased Polish actor Vladek Sheybal. I don't remember Vladek smirking though, he always looked very intense.
3

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 03:15:46
I like the way they call Russia paranoid - uh, you're only pointing missiles at it, catpawing in its neighbours, arranging a ring of steel around it . . . but yeah THEY'RE paranoid.
4

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 17/08/2008 05:35:24
If paranoia was an olympic event the US would win hands down.

I'm amazed that a claim of paranoia is made against anyone else.
5

Michael Brytan,

Montreal, Canada 17/08/2008 06:06:35
This was a great article with good varied perspectives and better than many I have read from around the world. Being a Canadian of Ukrainian heritage I would tend to agree that paranoia plays a significant part of the Russian psychy. They are also 'control freaks' who want to dominate and rule the world by their terms. I'm not sure what label to give this type of foreign policy. The one issue I have with this article (and others) is this notion of an Anglo-America conspiracy regarding Georgia and other Eastern European nations. The fact is that ALL European NATO members and Canada in addition to the USA have been supporting and actively working to have Ukraine admitted into NATO. Ukrainian Presient Yuchenko recently had the rare honour of addressing a joint House of the Canadian Parliament. He mentioned that three times in the past century Ukraine declared itself independent and he asked the Canadian government to help Ukraine enter the military alliance in order that it could retain it's idenpendence. Canadian prime minister Harper has been actively lobbying for Ukraine's accession into the military alliance. Poland has been Ukraines most vocal advocate for joining the alliance. Why then always blame the American for something ALL NATO alliance members have been advocating - and some more vocally than the USA ?
6

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 06:11:47
#4 S'truth, dontcha just love Bush's big act. Give the man an Ocsar!

You have to hand it to the Americans, their acting out of "indigation" would be hillarious if it were not so serious.
The American government, through its State Department, National Endowment for Democracy (there's that crusade word again), CIA and other groups brought about the "Rose Revolution with cash and arms.
Mikhail Saskashvili was lobied into office as the "president" of the new "democracy". This of course is laughable because the people of Georgia had as much say in choosing their leader as people in Tibet.
Once their hand picked man was in office the US moved to develop Georgia as a base of military operations against Russia - see all the American arms that have been found. It would also be used as a base against any strike on Iran. This would secure oil pipelines and spread the US's policy of "containment" against Putin - their unchosen man. Of course the drunken buffoon Yeltsin - he was their chosen man - was no longer in power and they were unable to control Putin so they painted horns and a tail on him.
7

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 06:13:38
#5 please explain to us why nato exists.

8

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 06:21:02
South Ossetia and Abkhazia have been calling for their independence since the 1990s. Saskashvili, since he was manouevred into power by the US has always said he intends to take these areas by force if necessary - against the will of the people who live there. So they are being forced into the "democracy" crusade against their will. Saskashvili is also intent on punishing these people for their indepdenence.

At the time of the conflict of Russia with George, there were about 2,000 US military personnel in Georgia, training and arming the people who would murder those Russians who did not fit their plan. Strangely enough there were also around 1,000 Israeli troops in the country, along with the CIA operatives and surveillance units that were using their position to monitor Russian satellite communications.
9

John Lawson,

Toronto 17/08/2008 07:06:47
Mashimaro, since you are Chinese and claim to live in China, shall we refocus for a minute and look at Russian-Chinese relations.

Russia's efforts to reclaim its authority are not limited to the Caucasus or Russia's western frontier, but also to Russian Asia. For the past several years, the Russians have intermittently explored means of forming an alliance with China. The Russian position is that the two adjacent land powers should have a stake in working together.

While many Russians dream of a Chinese alliance against the West, China has been taking advantage of that misperception and preparing for a world in which Russia no longer matters. It is Beijing, not Moscow, which has been building rail lines and petroleum pipelines into Central Asia and acquiring Central Asian energy firms. It is Beijing, not Moscow, which is now pre-eminent in influence in North Korea. It is Beijing, not Moscow, which quietly sponsors an unofficial policy of encouraging migration of its citizens to resource-rich Russian Siberia.

It is Beijing, not Moscow, which is purchasing component after component of Russian military technology as part of a broad-based modernization program. Yet it is Beijing, not Moscow, which likes to hold large-scale military manoeuvres on the border named innocuous things like "Northern Sword."

10

John Lawson,

17/08/2008 07:07:38
Moscow has been slow to recognize the shifts in China with the transition from Jiang Zemin to Hu Jintao.
Just as Jiang was taken off guard by the change from the easily manipulable former Russian President Boris Yeltsin, to the more calculating Putin, Russia has misread the evolution of Chinese policies from Jiang to Hu, thinking that China is still pursuing the same means as it did under Jiang's reign.

This is not the case. Beijing now looks to enhance its influence globally through integration rather than confrontation. Moscow has misread Chinese intent several times recently, from the evolution of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization to the recent Chinese-Russian defense exercises. China is fully engaged in the old three-player game and views Washington as its major concern, with Russia being simply a tool of foreign policy.

Reshetin's arrest and Pulikovsky's dismissal are critical developments in their own right and indicate that the Kremlin is belatedly realizing the depth of the changes in Beijing. Space cooperation is among the hallmarks of Russian-Chinese cooperation. Russian technical knowledge is one way to develop the Chinese space and military missile program. The FSB is now specifically saying that Reshetin provided the Chinese with dual-use technology. Pulikovsky was Putin's point man in North Korea, and on his watch, the Chinese have all but displaced the Russians at the North Korean table.

Reshetin's and Pulikovsky's departures from the scene indicate that someone in the Kremlin feels that relations with the Chinese are not proceeding according to plan. Unlike many of their fellow citizens, Medvedev and Ivanov have a more balanced view of China -- seeing among the many possibilities a plausible, and perhaps even probable, threat.

In a country as organizationally, institutionally and ideologically brittle as Russia, having the right people in the right positions is essential to putting the country on a sustainable path. Stratfor has l
11

John Lawson,

Toronto 17/08/2008 07:11:23
I have long stated that should Russia not prove able to regain its influence in Ukraine -- and indeed, on its own territory -- that Russia's ability to exist is in even doubt.

Medvedev and Ivanov's rise cannot alone reverse Russia's fall, but their expertise, charisma and influence will at least help give it a chance.
Please give us your comments.
12

The Daleks,

Longmen 17/08/2008 09:11:44
John Lawson.

An excellent anylasis of the current situation.

Europe and Russia both face a clear and present danger from the rise and rise of China, with the Russian Far East being particularly vulnerable to Chinese expansion.

Western Europe should look to its own interests, which would be better served by ditching the current alliance with the USA (which always does what it thinks is right for it, regardless of its allies)and forge a meaningful military/political union with Russia.

A millitary/political bloc across Eurasia from the Atlantic to the Pacific, would give both the Chinese and the Americans sleepless nights, and no bad thing too.
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John Lawson,

Toronto 17/08/2008 09:20:28
#5 Michael, I agree your comments on Russian paranoia and will add my comments later. First, I would like to address President Yuschenko’s lack of leadership and direction. I worked in Ukraine and Russia since 1991. I learned the Ukrainian and Russian languages. This enabled me to understand the culture, literature and mindset of the people.

A major political issue in the orange protests was this: a good society is one where “voice and influence” are not “confined to one part of the population as is the case in Ukraine, where “money, voice, and political activism are now extensively controlled by the affluent, very affluent, and business interests,” in an unequal contest” in which “the socially and economically deprived” are living on wages that are marginalized. The purpose of the orange protest called for “a coalition of the concerned and the compassionate and those now outside the political system”, so that every citizen would have the opportunity to participate in the social and economic development of his/her country.

Political leadership is about “Peace, Order and Good Government.” It has to do mostly with people and power. Their engagement is what matters. Yuschenko never consolidated power. Kuchma consolidated power. During the time of the Orange Revolution (OR), seven clans controlled the Ukrainian government and the ownership of the major economic assets. Ninety percent of these assets were acquired from the State Property fund for pennies on the dollar. Under existing “soviet laws”, these thieves should have been arrested and prosecuted. When US prosecutors came to Ukraine and asked for additional evidence on Lazarenko, who is now serving 9.5 years in San Quentin, not one person came to their help. Yulia Timoshenko, who was Lazarenko’s partner during his extortion, embezzlement of $300 million did not come forth. Why? Because all the clans have made their fortunes through corruption – Ukraine is still ruled by “a den of thieves.” At least Putin co
14

John Lawson,

Toronto aug 21- Moscow 17/08/2008 09:21:52
At least Putin consolidated power and went after some of the corruption.
Instead taking a leadership role, Yuschenko appointed cronies to key government positions, argued with Yulia Timoshenko and lost credibility as a leader of his people. After the OR and even today, Yuschenko is unwilling to lead, to do the right things and sustain Ukraine as an independent country – peace – order – good government. He failed to "desovietize" the legal system, so that the laws would conform to the constitution. He failed to balance the books by cleaning the “den of thieves.” He failed to have order in “his country.” He failed to develop “good government policies.” In other words, he gave his power away to those who want Ukraine to have closer relations with Russia.
15

Johnnyf,

Dundee 17/08/2008 11:54:36
This is a shocking article, worthy only of The Daily Express. Hysterical, non news, extremely rightist and not really contributing to anything apart from whipping up anti-Russian feeling from those too ignorant to have learned more.
I feel so disappointed in the Scotsman.
16

Ballindarroch,

17/08/2008 11:58:38
All you have to do is look for the Chinese communists and other communints attacking an article to find the truthful ones. This one must be ripe with truths.
17

Dougie - Edinburgh,

17/08/2008 12:03:26
John Lawson,Toronto
Good analysis .... from Stratfor.com It looks as if you're trying to pass it off as your own. My apologies if this is not your intention but that's what it looks like.
18

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 12:47:09
#9 China has always been the main player with North Korea.
China and Russia are friendly enough and they have held war games together.
There is no such thing as "Chinese expansion".
You think that the people in this area are separate but you have many interlocking cultural aspects.
I think Russia's response to George has proven that it has a lot more than empty rhetoric to offer the world.
I hope we see it asserting its power and influence once again.

19

Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/08/2008 12:49:30
8 - self determination for South Ossetia but not Tibet ?
such hypocrisy.
Anyway yer pal Vlad Stalin wont countenance independence for South Osettia anyway, being the power-crazed loony that he is.
20

Pilrig.,

Livingston 17/08/2008 12:51:06
15 - you'd prefer Pravda ?
21

John Lawson,

Toronto 17/08/2008 13:37:39
I am sorry to disappoint you Dougie. I am a political writer for the last 17 years. I work and live in Russia, Ukraine and FSU countries. I spent consider time in Russia and Eastern Asia. Most of my articles are published in Political Journals. Research Institutions also use them. Businesses that invest in FSU countries use my employer's services. They do that for several reasons. The main reasons are to mitigate political risks, to know the level of corpacity - polite work for corruption and to structure their investments so that capital is returned.

I was the one who exposed the Kuchma government's attempted theft of Ukraine's pipelines. As a result, the Swiss government refused to allow the rollover of government assets into private hands for pennies on the dollar.

The Washington Post & the Financial Times refused to publish my investigative report. My report disclosed all the details of the Kuchma Clan's attempted tactics to sell the pipelines to Gasprom. I wrote the report a year and a half before the evidence became known by the media.

One of the writers at FT used extracts from my report, which was sent to them. FT published their short version of my expose one and a half years after I wrote it.

You are more than weclomed to contact Stratfor.

22

Gere,

Scotland 17/08/2008 13:37:54
America did not display very much respect for territorial integrity of a sovereign state when it invaded Iraq on the strength of the lie that Iraq had WMD. American troops raped a 14 year old Iraqi girl and then murdered her along with 24 members of her family to conceal this American atrocity. American mercenaries were allowed to murder Iraqi civilians, e.g. Blackwater, remember the 17 killed in Bagdad.

Remember Kosovo! Kosovo was torn from Serbia just because America was military strong enough to decide that it would wrench Kosovo from the Serbian Government's control! An American reward for the reign of terrorism that Kosovorians carried out against Serbia!

America has to be stood up to!!!!!
23

Richard M,

Scottish Raj 17/08/2008 13:56:14
If Russia picks a fight with Ukraine over Crimea or the Donbass, it would make what's happened in Georgia look like a picnic. Ukraine is 15 times the size and population of Georgia and would fight. It would be a full scale-war as nasty as between Serbia and Croatia but much bigger, and could also draw in neighbouring states. I think Russia knows that, and rather than engineer a full-scale confrontation will try to subvert Ukrainian democracy.
24

Neil,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 14:03:57
What a load of paranoid fascism that article was though the last line is true.

"If they say to the Russians: "You are impinging on the sovereign territory of another country by invading," the Russians can just smirk."

Perhaps the author should have mentioned that Rusia's ambassador to NATO has offered to respect Georgia's territorial integrity so long as NATO respects Serbia's. Why the entire British media have decided to censor any mention of this offer is something on which we can only specualte. NATO & every single one of its politicians individually will certainly seize this offer with both hands if their claims to believe in the rule of law are remotely truthful.
25

Itchy,

17/08/2008 14:18:45
#3 More communist party drivel.

#24 more communist drivel. Apparently only Fascists oppose communism, according to you.
26

Pipe smoker,

Montrose 17/08/2008 14:47:48
No 8: I'm afraid you ignore the demographics of the Abkhaz secession. In the early 90s, ethnic Abkhazians (EAs) made up only 17% of the population of Soviet Abkhazia (SA), living in historic Abkhazia,in the west. Ethnic Georgians, living in the historic western Georgian area of Mingrelia, contiguous with Georgia proper, made up no less than 43% of the SA population. The secession was primarily driven by EA commissars keen to hang on to power. Ethnic cleansing in 1993 and 1998, (Russian -assisted), accounted for the flight of up to 240,000 (+)ethnic Georgians. These numbers have been augmented over the last few days. As long noted by the UN,(for which I worked in Georgia) these Internally Displaced Persons have an absolute right to have a significant say in any settlement: SA was not the exclusive property of EAs by any means. Partition has been mooted from time to time, as recently as June this year, and has much to commend it in terms of justice and historical reality.
27

Neil,

Glasgow 17/08/2008 16:13:50
Itchy if you think I am a communist you haven't understood a word I have written here for years. This is unsurprising because if you think Russia is communist these days you have been asleep for 20 years.
28

Gere,

Scotland 17/08/2008 17:01:12
Post #24 Neil, Glasgow

Nice one Neil!
29

Portree,

Further north than most 17/08/2008 19:37:01
Why is it that the communist trolls always act like WMD's was the only reason the UK and USA into Iraq? They always down play the othe 20 good reasons. Oh, I forgot the communist trolls also lie and say it's for stealing oil.
30

SouthernGent,

17/08/2008 20:41:05
The KGB has been hibernating for the last 20 years, but don't think for a minute that they ever went away. Putin is playing his part according to the script written ever since the fall of the old soviet union. Some on here are just to closed minded to see it.
31

Dougie - Edinburgh,

Edinburgh 17/08/2008 22:33:44
21. John Lawson,Toronto
Ok, my mistake then. Stratfor made some of the same points as you. Also your mention of Stratfor at the bottom of post 10 seemed very strange.

26. Pipe smoker,Montrose
Maybe they can all go and live in Kosovo. Lots of previously Serbian housing has been freed up.
32

henrymanchester,

UK 17/08/2008 22:52:28
I bet this reporter takes it up the crapper from Gordon brown!
33

Mashimaro,

China 17/08/2008 23:58:38
#29 Why is it that apologist for the US oilmen's regime always forget that they used to support Saddam and even supplied him with chemical weapons. Why do they always forget that they didn't mind when Saddam allegedly killed a few "rag heads" - i.e. kurds. Why do they forget that the US gave Saddam the nod to enter Kuwait? Why do they think it was a good idea to destroy the one secular state in the region and hand it over to muslim fundamentalists - what did they think would happen to women's rights - specially after they had seen the Taleban in action in Aghanistan.
34

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 00:00:12
#30 BOO! Now get back to quivering under your bed.
35

SouthernGent,

18/08/2008 01:15:41
#34
Very disappointing response. No go back to your party line propaganda that you do best.
36

Ceolmor,

Canada 18/08/2008 06:21:05
Just finished watching "The Putin System" on the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

I hope it is broadcasted throughout the western world.

Putin is scary, and the west has to realise that. It may now be already too late to prevent things getting much worse.

Oh BTW #15 The Grandaughter of Nikita Khrushchev was interviewed and warned about Putin...........but I guess she is really anti Russian and not to be believed

37

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 09:49:03
#36 Oh dear lordie Ceolmor. You and your pals just get suctioned right into the press machine.
What has Putin ever done that you can actually prove?'
Nothing.
Some extremists murder a journalist and he gets blamed.
Some former prison guard drops a nuclear isotope and gets poisoned, and he gets blamed.
The whole story is spun completely by a corrupt businessman and his terrorist partner and the west sucks it up like it's a milkshake.
Putin asks Ukraine to pay the going rate for gas and suddenly he's a bandit.
The Ukraine steals Europe's gas and suddenly Putin is to blame.
GIVE IT A REST.
Don't you recognise media spin when you see it?
Think about it as a reasonable person, please.
Haven't you realised the western media has been painting Putin as a demon? What did Bush say about "looking into his soul" and rubbish like that? What do you see when you look into Bush's soul L I A R!
What do you see when you look into Tony Blair's soul? M O N E Y.
What do you see when you look into McCain's soul? W A R C R I M I N A L
I could go on but I shant. Just think. Do you guys really want to get into a fight with Russia? I mean, Really?

38

Neil,

Glasgow 18/08/2008 13:13:33
No doubt it will be Coelmor #36. Strangely factually accurate stuff, rather than merely scaremongering, when it is about the genocide & dissection of living people for their organs, doesn't get broadcast by the CBC (or the BBC or any other western meida - not even a 1 paragrapg mention on page 27 ofv the papers.

Now how could that happen with a free press ;-)

Putin has actually done nothing wrong. If Kruschev's grandadughter, or anybody else had said that they wouldn't have got on CBC - call it a hunch.
39

Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 12:06:04
#38 Niel, dude, it's been quite entertaining listening to you about your organ legging ideas.
Now I'm not saying that organ legging did or didn't go on. I don't know.
But you might want to leave out some of the obviously sensationlistic BS that you're using.
Just say they were killing people off and selling their organs. This taking of organs from live people is just propaganda. How much farking effort does it take to hold down a person while you try to delicately remove their kidneys or corneas or whatever? Weigh that take against capping the dude and waiting a few minutes. You'll see what I mean.

 

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