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Kenny Farquharson - Proud to get behind Team GB



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Published Date: 24 August 2008
Salmond’s approach to the Olympics has been both churlish and petty
ONE of the pleasures of the Olympics is when your attention is grabbed by a sport that previously held zero interest. For me it has been the rowing – a sport I previously associated with 10 minutes of wheezy agony on my infrequent visits to the gym.
Last weekend I was shouting myself hoarse with the rest of the Scotland on Sunday office, cheering on Britain’s coxless fours as they powered to victory over the Australians. Trailing with just a few yards to go, it took an almost superhuman effort, visible in every strained sinew, to clinch the gold for Britain. Magnificent.

If Alex Salmond, Scotland’s First Minister, had been in our newsroom that day he may have been genuinely puzzled by our behaviour. After all, there were no Scots in the boat. Only Englishmen. Why should Scots cheer on Englishmen, or congratulate them on their victory? Why should we support Englishmen over Australians or anyone else? Why, for that matter, should we support Team GB at all? Haven’t we heard that Britishness is dead, a tarnished and worthless identity that should be consigned to the recycle bin of history?


Salmond’s puzzlement would have been all the greater if he had been able to take a peek in the living rooms of millions of Scots over the past fortnight as they have been charmed by Rebecca Adlington’s infectious grin, and taken a tearful Bryony Shaw to their hearts when she said on live TV that she was “so f***ing happy” at her windsurfing bronze. It isn’t just Chris Hoy’s historic three golds that have caught the Scottish public’s imagination.

Salmond’s approach to the Olympics has shown a lack of generosity of spirit. Goodwill or congratulations have been directed only at the Scots athletes taking part. Others in Team GB are not worthy, it seems. What would it have cost Salmond to have wished the Scots good luck and then extended his best wishes to their English, Welsh and Northern Irish teammates? Absolutely nothing. Yet Salmond, a keen golfer, will no doubt be cheering on Europe’s golfers in their tussle with America in the Ryder Cup next month. Supporting Europe is fine. Supporting Great Britain is apparently unacceptable. The First Minister has been churlish and petty.

The SNP believes Britishness is dying as Scots increasingly see themselves as Scottish, not British. This has been repeated so often it has become a truism. The problem is, it simply isn’t true. The Scots are a complex and sometimes contradictory people – inconveniently so for the SNP.

You would assume, wouldn’t you, that in the year Scotland elected an SNP Government at Holyrood the nation’s sense of Scottishness would be at a high, and its sense of belonging to Britain at an all-time low? Er, actually, no. The most authoritative test of public opinion – the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey – reveals that in 2007 Britishness was in better health than for many years. People who regarded themselves as “Scottish, not British” made up 27% of the population – the lowest figure since 1997. Those who considered themselves “equally Scottish and British” accounted for 28% – the highest since 1992. (For the anoraks among you, full figures can be found by logging onto the online version of this column at www.scotlandonsunday.com/opinion.)


Just because Scotland elected an SNP Government doesn’t mean that Scots have wholly embraced the SNP’s world view. Scots are quite happy to have an SNP Government and they’re quite happy to be British, thank you very much. Salmond cannot reconcile this with his zero-sum nationalism – that in order for Scotland to thrive, Britain must die. It ain’t necessarily so, Alex.

Salmond appears to believe that the only legitimate expression of Britishness is through a shared respect for the Royal Family – he believes the Queen should remain monarch of Scotland even after independence. Well, not all of us are as ardent royalists as he seems to be. For most of us, Britishness is expressed primarily through our enjoyment of the most vivid and creative popular culture in the world – something Salmond underestimates at his peril.

Yesterday, the SNP was getting exercised about the prospect of a GB football team at the London Olympics in 2012. This, apparently, would be the end of civilisation as we know it. Yet the Irish, with a rather more bloody history of cross-border rivalry than our own, seem to have little trouble with an all-Ireland team for international rugby union.

Salmond should pause before he hurls himself headlong into an all-out assault on the London Olympics, complaining about the extra money being spent down south (remember, Chris Hoy says he owes his success to Team GB’s world-class facilities in Manchester) and his demand that Scotland fields its own team. I suspect he underestimates how much the London Olympics and Team GB is going to capture the imagination of the Scottish nation. Scotland could never hold an Olympic Games; the fact that our nearest neighbour can should be regarded as an opportunity, not a threat. Scottish athletes will regard this as a home fixture, regardless of what the First Minister says.

If and when Scotland becomes an independent country I’ll be cheering along with everyone else when the Saltire is held aloft at the Olympic opening ceremony. Until then I’m supporting the members of Team GB – regardless of which side of the border they were born.





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Mogwai Fear Santa,

24/08/2008 01:45:38
Kenneth, what with being a political journo and all it may have escaped your attention that Alex Salmond is First Minister of Scotland. So why would the leader of a nation extend congratulations and good wishes to those beyond his democratic remit?

I haven't seen any reports of the Norwegian PM praising Swedish medal winners, so why would Scotland's leader be any different? Or is it simply you have a problem with Salmond not entering into Auntie Beeb and the Hootsmon newsroom's North Brit pishing contest?

I remember when you were a decent hack Kenneth. Perhaps you could take a trip down memory lane and relive those "glory" days.
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 24/08/2008 02:08:02
Aye, Kenny, no one in Scotland cares about our National Football Team. Not when we have the chance to cheer for Gordon Brown's Team UK.

Can you possibly be anymore out of touch with Scots?

When Scotland is independent and WE are cheering for our country, you will be remembered for your role in doing all that you can embarrass it at every step.
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Kenny Farquharson,

SoS 24/08/2008 02:30:36
Apologies, but a technical hitch means that the stats I refer to in this article haven't yet been uploaded to this webpage. I'll try to ensure they're available for you later today.
Kenny
(yep, on late duty yet again)
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Stuart W,

24/08/2008 05:39:37
Mogwai Fear Santa,24/08/2008 01:45:38 said:

"I haven't seen any reports of the Norwegian PM praising Swedish medal winners, so why would Scotland's leader be any different?"

But if a Scandanavian rather than national teams were sent to the Olympics then it would surely be "churlish and petty" if the Norwegian PM didn't praise all Scandanavian medal winners, and instead praised only Norwegian winners and blanked the rest?
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Richardinho,

24/08/2008 07:20:54
Personally I find the tone of the british Olympics coverage deeply abhorrent. At times it has bordered on the racist as commentators and pundits have eschewed any sporting impartiality in favour of wild eyed jingoism.
In times gone by I am sure that the coverage retained some kind of objectivity, but unfortunately now all sobriety has been chucked out of the window-at least when 'Team GB' is involved.
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First Minister,

Maggies Den 24/08/2008 07:52:42
Wow Kenny
you have visited millions of Scottish homes recently? I am English and had not much interest to be honest. yes i 100% admire an individual athletes ability but dont try and ram britishness down our throats please, you would gain a lot more respect that way. I have supported many athletes of all nationalities, including the English girl who was cheated by the chinese Tae Kwon Do Player but the referee reversed the decision, i really wanted her to win, not because she was part of Team GB.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/08/2008 08:05:21
Football is the one sport that accentuates the DIFFERENCES between Scotland and England, Kenny.

The Tartan Army would never support a GB team.

Nothing petty or churlish about that.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/08/2008 08:07:46
And another thing, Kenny. The reaction of the hacks in your newsroom is hardly representative of the Scottish people. Wake up man!
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Augusta,

Kirkcaldy 24/08/2008 08:54:28
All nationalism stinks, Scottish no less than
British.
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Kyle N Carrick,

24/08/2008 09:14:34
I find it churlish and petty that Gordon Brown did not extend his goodwishes and exhortations of luck to the Chinese, Russian and Australian teams....

Conjecture and hypothetication on what the First Minister's reaction may or may not have been watching your colleagues in your newsroom is hardly the basis for a forensic piece of political journalism, is it?
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Penicuik Laddie,

24/08/2008 09:45:59
Kenny Farquarson epitomises everything obnoxious and patronising about British nationalist perceptions of the political situation in Scotland today. Your "stats" on Britishness (particularly those related to the multi-nationality disorder you and other Brit nationalists suffer) should also reflect and state that perhaps the reasons there are "high" number of "British, not Scottish" in Scotland is due to the high levels of "Southern British" people living in our country, not to mention the aspiring Southern Britishers like yourself Kenny. Nothing wrong with them living here, but nonetheless it does skew the stats and your arguments somewhat.
And please, please, please stop pretending your mad rantings are journalism. I think your bile would not be out of place in the Belfast Newsletter and that is probably where it would find a more welcoming audience.
As for Gordon Broon's claim again to have a "GB Football Team" (for GB read England) at the next Olympics... well so long as we don't have to follow the precedent set by a previous England teams and give the Nazi salute (I am sure SoS will have that picture in their archive, if not then on their office wall) then it is worthy of further discussion... Oops, did I just inadvertently reveal English sporting connections with far-right fascist states in all there revolting manifestations.
Scotland needs its own national Olympics team and should not try to goose step to the chants of those British nationalists, like Farquarson, who wish to subsume our nation and relegate it to oblivion.
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The Scotchman,

24/08/2008 10:26:44
(Beckahm)... "I was very proud to be involved in the first place bringing it back to England"

Quote confirmed. Beckham - an English figurehead - dropping the England word. Surely it's returning to Britain, David?

Salmond and Co should pounce on this!

Scotland own team - NOW.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/08/2008 10:47:10
Cue God save the Queen played to assorted ranks of stiff upper lips.
Oh and don't forget to run up the Union flag in yer frint gairden.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/08/2008 10:51:00
11 - and when all is said and done fitba (with the possible exception of golf) is the only sport that really matters.
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Hubs B,

Doha 24/08/2008 10:57:38
Kenny,

I welcome this piece. Allan Massie wrote a similarly excellent piece a while back talking about a friend of his who had no problems following Scotland's national football team whilst equally following club teams from England based on the premise of Britishness.

I respect Mr Salmond's stance, he is trying to shift opinion his way and will deploy whatever measures he believes are necessary. He is entirely consistent in his approach and works to his own agenda, quite understandable.

I do think however that there is life in Britishness yet and that Salmond's approach will yield only marginal success in uncoupling some from their desire to be British but then he is playing a long game.

Sadly, there is still a rump of anti English feeling which I honestly do not believe the First Minister subscribes to but which promises him too valuable a lever to ignore.

I believe he is harnessing this unpleasant rump whilst holding his nose. After all politicians of all hues have, on occasions, to sup with the devil.

He may come to regret this approach should this section of his support ever get too much wind under their wings and begin to frighten the softer elements of his party and floating voters with too verbose a brand of nationalism.

For now though it suits him to wind them up and then declare, as he has on numerous occasions, that he sympathises with English nationalism as a response to a resurgent Scotland.

It is true that the Scottish electorate returned an SNP government more in response to Labour's failings than as a nationalist crie de coeur. That said, they did return one knowing full well how the incoming government would operate. Mr Salmond has been transparent and up front in outlining the brand of nationalism he is flogging.

This episode is an entirely logical chapter in the current SNP narrative. An effort to shift opinion, keeping the theme of an independent Scotland on the agenda, maintaning pressure on the unionist camp.

I
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bill-alba,

fife 24/08/2008 11:48:19
hubs..are you making it up as you go along..there is no anti englishness only pro Scottishness..and I think there may be a bit of wishfull thinking in your "we voted snp because of labour" if you havent noticed we dont seem to be voting for labour, tories, libs or greens.
I am just as likely to support the French football team as I am the English one..
Life has left "britishness" it only remains in some deluded peoples heads.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 24/08/2008 13:01:37
Kenny, where did all this bitterness come from?

Yes I cheered on many of the British Team, except for a few arrogant, conceited individuals, I cheered on the Irish boxer this morning, I cheered on Jamaican Bolt to 3 phenomenal world records, I rooted for Europe in the Ryder Cup, for the British Lions (UK & ROI) against South Africa, for Man Utd v Chelsea in the Champions League final and for Spain against Germany in the Euro champs.

I could go on, but I hope you got the point. It's not always about nationality. It's a bit more complicated than that. To try and relate that to our own Scottish Government seems a trifle simplistic.

Salmond says nothing, he gets criticized. I'm sure if he'd said anything he'd get criticized. Compare that to Brown's comment about a GB football team or McConnell's previous gaffes about Scotland and England.

I'd prefer silence any day Kenny.
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BigFatChris,

London, England 24/08/2008 13:34:24
People are losing sight of the point of this article, if Scotland want to go it alone, off you go.

However, that means a smaller share of any UK funding, if any. Scotland will have to foot their own bill, I wonder if this will give you second thoughts – pay more, for worse results? This not a dig at anything else, just a fact, you'll have to pay much more than you are paying now.

If you do want to go it alone, it’s only fair you can’t use the English training equipment, coaches, and of course, we’ll want our bikes back :) And no scots training in the English facilities, you can’t have it both ways. Of course as hosts of 2012, the English qualify in all events, the Scots will have to qualify if not part of Team GB, how many would actually make the grade without UK funding? Chris Hoy is a hero, but I wonder how he would feel/do without the backing of Team GB? Ireland won three medals this Olympics, Team GB won 47, it would still have been 42 without Scotland.

Do Scotland want to stay on a winning team that unites the UK like nothing else, or go it alone due to a handful of Scottish xenophobics with no interest in sport and the Olympic ideal?

I welcome a seperate Scotlish Team, if that's what the scots want to do, but be careful what you wish for.
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nursiebill,

24/08/2008 15:15:04
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All the things you mentioned in your post were paid for with UK money so therefore surely we would be due a twelth of everything if there were a scottish team. Also isnt it strange that all of the national (by that I mean UK) centres of excellence are based in england.
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A True son of Scotland,

24/08/2008 15:16:14
Thanks Big Fat Chris (23)
Yup, and I'm happy with whatever comes with an independent Scottish olympic team. They might not win as many medals, but on the other hand they might do rather well. The most important thing is that our athletes would be competing for Scotland, they will be flying the saltire, and, if they are good enough to win golds they'll be singing the Scottish national anthem, not someone else's. I can accept less funding, but that's a two way street. Remember, independence also means less money for UK coffers. And, moreover, it means we Scots don't have to contribute our cash to the needless and abhorrent foreign military adventures of the UK government, the next generation of nuclear weapons, or ID Cards.

The fact that people like you keep calling people like me xenophobes only exposes your own ignorance. All I want is self-determination for my country. People like you seem to want to belittle Scotland (eg "We'll want our bikes back"). Yup, says it all. Do you really think making arrogant and disparaging comments like that will endear folk like me to remaining part of the UK?
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A Scott,

Glasgow 24/08/2008 16:16:31
I tried to e-mail Farquherson and the e-mail message was rejected. Why is it that Farquharson, Broon etc call anybody that wants a Team Scotland "churlish and Petty" however they dont want anything to do with the latest suggestion of a Team EU.
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Kenny Farquharson,

SoS 24/08/2008 16:25:06
Hello.
It's perfectly natural that Nationalists who want nothing whatsoever to do with Britain and feel not one iota of Britishness should disagree with so much of what I'm saying. My point is that they are in a minority (the 27% I mentioned), and that contrary to popular belief the majority of Scots are comfortable with a joint identity as Scottish and British. This duality - which to most Scots is perfectly natural - is what some Nationalists find hard to accept, and even offensive. But its where most Scots are, and there's nothing whatsoever wrong or unpatriotic or anti-Scottish about it.
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kode,

Manchester/Ayr 24/08/2008 16:28:18
Can't we all just get along! So much bickering and one-up-manship.
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Kenny Farquharson,

24/08/2008 16:30:06
# 6 Joe-Kerr
Now that the numbers are uploaded, and you can see they're an independent and neutral reflection of Scottish opinion, what do you make of them?
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Kenny Farquharson,

24/08/2008 16:33:25
# 8 Joe-Kerr
I'm perfectly willing to say when the SNP has a good policy. Here's two from this week:
# Salmond bringing forward the £60m due to be spent on affordable housing over the next few years. Good thinking.
# The story we report today, about sending teenagers on residential adventure courses. Great idea (a Tory policy rather than an SNP one, but full credit to Salmond for taking it on)
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mrweetoes,

glasgow/edinburgh 24/08/2008 16:34:41
bbcnews24 just showing the 2012 'celebration' at glasgow's george square - there must have been half a dozen people there. this is england's olympics, the majority in scotland doesn't care.
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Kenny Farquharson,

24/08/2008 16:37:02
# Penicuik
"multi-nationality disorder"
I like that!!
Perhaps, Penicuik, you are proud of being from Penicuik, proud of being Scottish and perhaps happy to be a European.
Everyone has a multi-layered identity. It's the norm.
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Kenny Farquharson,

24/08/2008 16:40:25
# Penicuik
'the high levels of "Southern British" people living in our country'

Ah, so it's English people's fault, is it?

I think you should look at the figures again. They report that 73% of Scots see Britishness as part of their identity.

If what you say is true there must be rather more English people living in Scotland than I thought!
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Miss H,

24/08/2008 17:02:27
Firstly I would like to point out that the majority of people who live in Scotand are women and women tend to get less carried away by sport. So people who draw parallells between sporting events and party politics are excluding most of the population as women - being the logical sex - realise that there is no connection. Many people of both genders actually couldn't care less who can ride a bike the fastest, kick a ball in the back of a net or jump over the highest hurdle. Trained monkeys could all of these things so anybody who bases their sense of national identity on such matters must be seriously confused.

That is not to suggest that there is no such thing as a British identity. Of course there is although I would suggest for most people it is based on language and culture and sense of humour rather than sport. But we share linguistic and cultural links with a great many people, not just those who live in the UK. And even if we could somehow turn the clock back and undo globalisation that would still not be an argument that we all have to have the same government. The modern world, and peoples' sense of identity, is a lot more complex than that.

14 Penicuik laddie the fact that only 6 per cent of people living in Scotland see themselves as British not Scottish indicates that a considerable proportion of the people from England who have come to live in Scotland have embraced a Scottish identity quite happily. That includes of course the 6 SNP MSPs who come into that category. It is interesting that the SNP has the highest number of MSPs born outwith Scotland of any party in the Scottish Parliament. If I had to guess I would say that people from other countries are perhaps more open to the idea of independence than many people who have been born and bred here.

23 Chris Independence would not mean a smaller share of UK funding - it would mean no share. Equally it would mean no liability for UK spending.
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Team Scotland,

location, location 24/08/2008 17:09:02
Salmond’s approach to the Olympics has been predictable. He leads a party that aspires to an independent Scotland. Promoting the preservation or solidification of current Scottish institutions and promoting the establishment of new or previously lost institutions is to be expected. It would be odd if they did anything else.

Scots cheering athletes from other nations is hardly a unique experience and is all the easier when these athletes are in a common team. That says nothing about whether those cheering would more or less likely to cheer for ‘Team Scotland’.
I think your case regarding the level of Britishness is a little ‘previous’ for two reasons. The levels of “Scottishness” decline after a peak in 2000/2001 before rising again. There is a dip in 2007 but it bucks the trend and on its own cannot make the case for a new downward trend. Whatever the long term trend the fact is that the number who consider themselves predominantly Scottish outnumbers those who feel predominantly British by 4:1. This is a very large gulf.

Salmond leads the Scottish government and it is natural for him to congratulate those who are Scottish or Scottish based. Indeed were he to start congratulating English or Welsh athletes he would be accused of sporting ‘imperialism’ by the sensationalists.

Plainly Britishness is not ‘dead’ or the current constitutional debate would itself have been consigned to the recycle bin of history. It is not, however, reasonable to expect nationalists to adopt a position that runs counter to their philosophy. In any case it is not true that nationalism requires that “Britain must die”. As Scotland re-emerges, I do not see Britishness dying but rather evolving into a pan national description that includes the Irish (Ethnically the most British of all). It is analogous to the concept ‘Scandinavian’ where Britishness will survive if it is to survive at all.

Having been involved in amateur sport, I have seen the consequences of funding being di
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Miss H,

24/08/2008 17:09:58
33 Kenny - there is an interesting slideshow on the Calman Commission website by John Curtice much of it taken from the same source as the identity survey. It shows that around 70 per cent of people consistently say that they believe the Scottish Parliament, not Westminster, should run Scotland. That is why I believe that independence while not being inevitable is the most likely outcome for our country irrespective of whether people feel British, Scottish, European, Asian, Africam or whatever else. It is about the very practical issue of where political decision making should lie, London or Edinburgh.
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Team Scotland,

24/08/2008 17:10:03
' ' ' Cont

Having been involved in amateur sport, I have seen the consequences of funding being diverted from grassroots sport to finance the London Games. I have also witnessed crestfallen athletes who are passed over ‘Team GB’ events at least in some measure due to their geography. An Olympic ‘Team Scotland’ would unquestionably raise problematic issues but none that cannot be addressed. As it would give more Scottish athletes a chance of representation it should not be dismissed out of hand.

The issue of a football ‘Team GB’ is a distinct issue. Your analogy with the Irish Rugby team misses the point. Ireland is happy to compete in this sport as one Island team and there is no threat to any independent teams. This is not the case with football. ‘Team GB’ here directly threatens the existence of the Scotland football team. This is opposed by the Scottish, Welsh and Irish Fa’s. This is not a simple matter of supporting the current set up as to do so risks the future of one of Scotland’s oldest and best loved sporting institutions.
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G.Campbell,

24/08/2008 17:50:05
Kenny Farquharson has bought AM2's car
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Hugo of Garven,

24/08/2008 19:38:16
In spite of his dodgy statistics, Kenny Farquharson is quite right.

We Scots should be supporting Team GB (apart from the daft football suggestion). After all it is a partnership.

We supply the talent and they pay for and provide the facilities.
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Clydesdale,

24/08/2008 22:33:47
Kenny Farquarson - "Yesterday, the SNP was getting exercised about the prospect of a GB football team at the London Olympics in 2012. This, apparently, would be the end of civilisation as we know it. Yet the Irish, with a rather more bloody history of cross-border rivalry than our own, seem to have little trouble with an all-Ireland team for international rugby union."

Kenny not the end of civilisation but quite possibly the end of the Scotland national team. Comparing the politics of world rugby to world football is ridiculous - they are completely different entities. The European six nations countries (including the four teams representing the British Isles) along with South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Argentina are the dominant forces within World rugby. There is no threat to make the British Lions the only national rugby side for the British isles. It is very different within World football - the British home nations do not carry the same political weight within the vast worldwide influence of FIFA. Blatter warned at the IFAB meeting in March that the home nations should not form a British team and Vice President Jack Warner is a vocal critic of the 'privileges' of the home nations. The Spanish FA has to deal with Catalonia calling for their own national association (including their own national team). There is also unrest out with the UK over the number of European teams now competing in World Cup and European Championship qualifiers - the argument goes that one British team is better than having four 'British' teams. The Irish, Welsh and Scottish FAs are not objecting out of spite. There is a genuine fear that old guarantees could be overturned - they know the 'politics' of FIFA better then you.
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John PM,

Edinburgh 24/08/2008 23:15:39
Sorry but this is desperate rubbish. Farquarson credits Salmond with opinions that he has never held.

It is natural for Scots to be most interested in their own folk at the Olympics. That has been reflected in news coverage of which his paper has played a large part in their stories about Chris Hoy.

It might also be natural for people to resent the union flag if they support independence!

You might love Britain Kenny but plenty of others don't, that's their choice. It's a pity that some of the Scotsman's journalists think they know better than everyone who supports normal status for their own country.

They seem to have an acute 'flat earth syndrome' where despite all the evidence they refuse to believe that Scotland might just be capable of what every other country manages.

This empty assault on the First Minister based on imaginary grievances is truely pathetic. Luckily no-one takes this paper seriously anyway and no wonder.

Raise your game please.
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Kenny Farquharson,

25/08/2008 00:17:05
# 39 Joe

the difference between the two tables is instructive. of course when forced to choose between Scottish and British most Scots will choose the former, myself included.

But most are happy with both. That's the untidy and (for the SNP) inconvenient reality.
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Kenny Farquharson,

25/08/2008 00:20:58
# 41 Joe

When talking about politicians (of whatever party) i'm not allowed sarcasm now????

Jeezo.

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Kenny Farquharson,

25/08/2008 00:25:18
# 41 Joe

On Scottish Labour...

A couple of weeks ago I used my column to argue for a completely autonomous Scottish Labour party independent of the the UK Labour party.

And the leader of that party should be elected by one (Scottish) member one vote.


 

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